| --- Log opened Thu Jun 16 00:00:55 2016 | ||
| SMDwrk | Is there any stated project goals for openrisc? | 10:34 |
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| wallento | promote open source ISAs is probably the most generic | 11:37 |
| wallento | but I think as a community its building an open source processor with the ecosystem, to help learning how stuff works and building systems around it | 11:38 |
| wallento | that would be my pitch.. | 11:39 |
| GeneralStupid | wallento: what is your opinion about asip, especially "closed source" stuff like tensilica? | 12:08 |
| wallento | asip makes a lot of sense if you really know your application/domain well | 12:08 |
| wallento | tensilica is probably the choice if you just want to buy something and bring it to a chip in a short time | 12:09 |
| GeneralStupid | wallento: what i dislike about tensilica is, you send them your "TIEs" and your whole extensions and they generate the bitstream. | 12:10 |
| wallento | yeah, but if getting it to a chip is all that counts thats probably what you want to pay for | 12:10 |
| GeneralStupid | wallento: yes -.- but i dislike that idea. | 12:11 |
| wallento | taking an openrisc or even a risc-v core, its not that you just download it, "add an instruction" and generate the bitstream | 12:11 |
| GeneralStupid | wallento: i dont like it to give my (probably great) idea to a company... | 12:11 |
| wallento | yeah, agree | 12:11 |
| wallento | probably you have an NDA with them | 12:12 |
| wallento | I just worked with Tensilica once and there with the simulators and the compiler interface | 12:12 |
| GeneralStupid | wallento: i know. But think about open source software, GNU Linux for example. | 12:12 |
| GeneralStupid | wallento: i "worked" a bit with it. The tools are great (IMHO) | 12:12 |
| GeneralStupid | write your C code, press simulate then you see, for example, there is a lot of float. click "add float" and start simulation again. | 12:13 |
| GeneralStupid | (that would be easy with openrisc too, but the tools make it really easy) | 12:13 |
| GeneralStupid | what i wanted to say. Look at early linux, i remember if i released a disc to eary that i got a kernel oops message and had to reboot. | 12:14 |
| GeneralStupid | nowadays i would say its a pretty mature operating system. Look at android or Ubuntu | 12:15 |
| wallento | yes, thats right | 12:15 |
| GeneralStupid | i think that open hardware movement just needs time and it will be that easy with openrisc | 12:15 |
| GeneralStupid | take the right (open source) tools and click on "add an instruction" | 12:15 |
| wallento | but IBM didn't use Linux at that time right, so everything takes its time | 12:16 |
| wallento | I think it won't even be too hard | 12:16 |
| GeneralStupid | i would love to develop something like this in my master thesis -.- | 12:16 |
| wallento | to build such a tool | 12:16 |
| wallento | it will help people a lot | 12:16 |
| wallento | when will it start? | 12:16 |
| GeneralStupid | wallento: i think your right but i think there are a lot of little things which i miss right now. | 12:17 |
| GeneralStupid | wallento: i hope september / october | 12:17 |
| wallento | oh, yeah, but tensilica did also not build their tools with one person in six months.. | 12:18 |
| GeneralStupid | depends on how good the exams work :D | 12:18 |
| wallento | :) | 12:18 |
| wallento | I can help with reviewing an expose or so | 12:18 |
| GeneralStupid | no, i want to do it a bit scientific... the main part should be to evaluate the results. like "is it possible to take an openrisc as tensilica replacement" | 12:19 |
| GeneralStupid | so i would develop software, of course but i dont think that it ends in an eclipse based tool, like tensilica :D | 12:20 |
| GeneralStupid | would be great :D | 12:20 |
| GeneralStupid | wallento: thanks :D are you still at tu munich? | 12:21 |
| wallento | no, I left last year | 12:21 |
| wallento | but still in munich | 12:22 |
| GeneralStupid | wallento: what happend? -.- bad question? | 12:23 |
| wallento | GeneralStupid: didn't you get the answer? | 12:35 |
| wallento | No, I left last year | 12:35 |
| wallento | but I am still in Munich | 12:35 |
| wallento | yeah, and still writing up my phd thesis, so questions regarding this are bad questions ;) | 12:36 |
| GeneralStupid | wallento: i know this didnt help you, but i wish i would be at that point... | 12:37 |
| GeneralStupid | wallento: did you study computer science or eletrical engineering? | 12:50 |
| SMDhome | wallento: Do you agree that promoting OpenRisc ISA would be much easier if there is available core ready to be baked to asic? Collegues say it may also drop prices for arm/mips cores a little | 13:48 |
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