| --- Log opened Wed Aug 13 00:00:04 2014 | ||
| poke53281 | n2nn: With the newest patch I hope you never have to ask again where to find how to start doom. Try it. | 01:52 |
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| n2nn | :) | 07:39 |
| n2nn | guys/gals, do you think the softcores, especially the OR, will become faster with time? iirc the mork1 excels out at 100mhz. Do you think it may be twice or triple that in some years? | 07:42 |
| stekern | n2nn, that mostly depends on FPGA technology | 07:43 |
| stekern | there's still room for optimizations with mor1kx, but it's still limited by the hardware | 07:44 |
| n2nn | but in theory, that could be possible? the OR is not limited by itself, but just because of the fpga? | 07:44 |
| n2nn | okok, thanks :-) | 07:44 |
| sb0 | n2nn, or1k and lm32 are ~83MHz on slowtan6. on kintex7, lm32 is 200MHz and or1k 155MHz | 08:36 |
| n2nn | thanks! :) helps me get a feel, and i learned about the nick for the spartan in the process :) | 08:42 |
| stekern | that would also make a good name for a sunscreen | 08:42 |
| stekern | sb0: is it vivado or ise that is used to build the kintex7 board? | 08:43 |
| n2nn | man ... those kintex7 devboards are expensive :/ | 08:43 |
| sb0 | vivado, I haven't tried timing with ise | 08:43 |
| stekern | ok, I'm thinking that I'll install the 30-day eval version once I've found and fixed this spinlock issue I'm currently looking at | 08:45 |
| stekern | that should have support for that kintex7 fpga | 08:46 |
| olofk | Damn! I forgot where to find the third secret in the first level | 08:46 |
| olofk | But it was fun. Got around 88 mips here | 08:46 |
| sb0 | aren't the smallest kintex supported by webpack? | 08:46 |
| stekern | yes, but then I'd need to adjust the board port | 08:46 |
| stekern | ...which might be less painful than installing another instance of vivado | 08:47 |
| olofk | I haven't built binutils, gcc or any of the C libraries for quite a while now. Can/should I use upstream binutils? Are there any stable versions of the other stuff that are preferred to use rather than the master HEAD? | 08:59 |
| stekern | yes. not sure. | 08:59 |
| olofk | And will I miss out on something (say atomics) by using slightly older versions | 08:59 |
| stekern | yes, but if you'll miss it depends on what you're going to do | 09:03 |
| stekern | but use binutils from upstream and HEAD from everything | 09:21 |
| olofk | cool. Thanks | 09:32 |
| olofk | hmm... *** BFD does not support target or1k-unknown-elf. ? | 09:48 |
| olofk | Got that when I tried to compile binutils 2.24 | 09:48 |
| olofk | hmmm... only openrisc and or32 are valid targets in binutils 2.24 according to config.bfd. | 09:56 |
| olofk | ahh.. there hasn't been a stable release with openrisc yet, right? | 09:56 |
| olofk | Do they have a release schedule btw? | 09:58 |
| stekern | not sure, do they have anything on their homepages? | 10:13 |
| stekern | looking at previous releases, typical release interval seems to be 1/year around nov-dec | 10:16 |
| n2nn | guys, i struggle siche in dont know what devboard to get, not into electronic stuff that much ... more of a programmer ... do you think i can compile programs for the mor1kx or OR target, and get them running later on? | 10:37 |
| n2nn | [on that actual device] | 10:38 |
| stekern | n2nn: sure, you can use or1ksim or qemu in the meanwhile | 10:39 |
| n2nn | thanks. did you hear the stone falling from my heart? :D | 10:39 |
| n2nn | what about - e.g. vga - outputs then. how would I test those? Sorry, still trying to understand all those new programs. | 10:40 |
| n2nn | ... i guess i will have no idea of those things would work ... | 10:43 |
| n2nn | is the OR virtual machine the way to go for mor1kx? or did it become obsolete with the last years? | 10:56 |
| rah | 0 | 11:08 |
| rah | oops | 11:11 |
| stekern | n2nn: that's pretty much obsolete | 11:11 |
| * rah just plugged in his new split keyboard :-) | 11:11 | |
| stekern | (well written) rant about systemd: https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/12/459 | 11:15 |
| n2nn | so, i have to build my own dev enviroment, i guess - thanks for the hint :-) | 11:24 |
| stekern | n2nn: we'll be here to hold your hand though, so don't worry (or do just because of that) ;) | 11:25 |
| * n2nn says thanks, hopes to get his ass up soon and do some softcore-programming. | 11:33 | |
| sb0 | n2nn, try this (supports both mor1kx and lm32): github.com/m-labs/misoc | 11:35 |
| * n2nn clicks | 11:36 | |
| n2nn | ah, i saw a misty one demo just yesterday | 11:41 |
| sb0 | ah? | 11:43 |
| sb0 | the original milkymist one? that was before misoc... | 11:43 |
| sb0 | where was that? :) | 11:44 |
| n2nn | youtube. sorry, did not know about different versions, i just stumbled upon it while searching for devboards | 11:53 |
| sb0 | stekern, http://www.codekid.net/grafix/systemd_monster_small.gif | 16:28 |
| poke53281 | LOL | 16:31 |
| poke53281 | I like systemd. | 16:31 |
| olofk | :) | 16:59 |
| olofk | I didn't realize that Propeller was an 8-core 32-bit btw. That's pretty cool. Thought it was 16-bit single core | 16:59 |
| blueCmd | n2nn: as for your VGA, that's totally up to what you want to do. if you want to run Linux you would use the framebuffer or X/Wayland | 17:01 |
| blueCmd | n2nn: poke53281 has an emulator with graphics output showcasing that (using qemu) | 17:02 |
| olofk | There are also patches from stekern to add VGA output to or1ksim. I promised about two years ago to clean them up and submit them | 17:04 |
| poke53281 | VGA output? which Linux driver? | 17:07 |
| -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: aburgess, FreezingCold, LoneTech, ssvb | 18:41 | |
| olofk | poke53281: Not sure. It's for the VGA/LCD controller. Probably the framebuffer driver | 19:00 |
| olofk | ocfb maybe... | 19:00 |
| poke53281 | Ok, but this I am already using. | 19:10 |
| olofk | Yes, I guess that's the same one | 19:25 |
| olofk | hmm.. should really --disable-shared be passed to gcc? | 19:36 |
| olofk | I thought that disabled shared objects | 19:38 |
| stekern | what toolchain are you building? | 19:48 |
| olofk | I would assume newlib. Just blindly following instructions here http://opencores.org/or1k/OpenRISC_GNU_tool_chain | 19:53 |
| olofk | But I'm not particularly picky about libc to use. | 19:56 |
| stekern | shared libs for the or1k-elf- toolchain wouldn't make much sense | 19:56 |
| olofk | True | 19:58 |
| stekern | _franck__: I took the liberty to just push this obvious fix to or1k-tcltools: https://github.com/openrisc/or1k-tcltools/commit/f2ab5ad1302efeea0389399f03ec96c6a14b7285 | 20:07 |
| stekern | I was too lazy to fork it and then prepare a pull-request, hope you don't mind | 20:07 |
| stekern | poke53281: you didn't notice anymore problems with the binutils-gdb patch I gave you, right? | 20:10 |
| stekern | blueCmd: FYI | 20:53 |
| stekern | https://sourceware.org/git/gitweb.cgi?p=binutils-gdb.git;a=commit;h=ffccb7afb54cf09db1013f941e8dfc5127b01876 | 20:53 |
| stekern | https://github.com/openrisc/or1k-gcc/commit/c97b4726621bbdb8ef87e123e639d87d1366f7ee | 20:53 |
| stekern | https://github.com/openrisc/or1k-gcc/commit/b554855d6df5e46e7153e4206a18d89d8d6f6e57 | 20:53 |
| olofk | hmm... I'm getting errors in configure-target-libstdc++-v3 compiling gcc stage2. Is this the broken c++ support someone mentioned earlier this week? | 21:08 |
| _franck__ | stekern: no problem | 21:09 |
| -!- _franck__ is now known as _franck_ | 21:09 | |
| olofk | btw, newlib is still our only bare-metal toolchain, and the other ones (glibc, musl, uclibc) are for linux, right? | 21:09 |
| stekern | olofk: yes | 21:12 |
| olofk | yes on the c++ thing as well? | 21:14 |
| olofk | I guess a config.log would make it easier to answer that :) | 21:14 |
| poke53281 | stekern: So far not. I haven't checked X and wayland yet. | 21:18 |
| poke53281 | gcc doesn't work in jor1k yet, but in the qemu-user emulation. So I think, this is my problem. | 21:20 |
| olofk | or1k-elf/libstdc++-v3/config.log -> http://pastebin.com/4cLgKqGP | 21:22 |
| stekern | olofk: no, no to that | 21:24 |
| stekern | looks like it tries to build libstdc++ before the libc stuff is installed | 21:32 |
| stekern | did you build and install newlib to /opt/openrisc? | 21:34 |
| stekern | olofk ^ | 21:36 |
| olofk | stekern: Yes. I did binutils, gcc, binutils and gcc again | 21:43 |
| olofk | I removed c++ from enable-languages, and it works now | 21:43 |
| olofk | I'll redo it once more to make sure that I did second pass of binutils right | 21:44 |
| olofk | But I'm quite sure I did it correctly | 21:45 |
| olofk | I'll look at it more tomorrow | 21:46 |
| poke53281 | stekern: nbench also doesn't work anymore. Not even in qemu-user. There are too many problems right now, to know for sure if there is no problem with the patch. | 22:47 |
| poke53281 | and by the way, even in qemu gcc can just stop at some point. I try to narrow it down :) | 23:50 |
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